The club/bar distinction
Did I ever tell you all how much I hate "clubs"? Furthermore, have I ever told you all how much I love "bars"? I wonder how many people out there have a similar love/hate distinction for two somewhat similar concepts. But the truth is, clubs and bars are not similar at all and here is why:
Lets begin with clubs, because I don't know if there is anything I hate more besides comedy clubs. And I only hate comedy clubs b/c the comedians there are so dirty and it makes me uncomfortable if there are girls at my table. B/c either way it's weird: If I laugh at the sick jokes the guy is telling, the girls at the table think I am a real pervert, and if I don't laugh I can see that the girls are thinking "Does Ari even get that joke?...probably not, he doesn't understand anything sexually related b/c he is challenged when it comes to physical intimacy issues." I may be reading too much into this, but I really hate the dirty comedians.
Anyway, back to clubs in general- there are so many things about them that get me angry. The first time I went "clubbing" was as a senior in high school, and I remember going with a few friends to Banana Republic to buy "clubbing clothes"...otherwise known as "clothes that make you look like a big homo." Basically, the tighter the shirt, the more club-worthy it is, and unfortanetly, for us guys, the same goes for pants. In addition, you have to get all this hair gel and slick back your hair so that you look as syrian as possible. Truth is, I still do this on Shabbos, so maybe that part of the clubbing ritual is acceptable. But only b/c I do it.
The worst part about the clubbing dress code is that if you try to wear a hat the big bouncer men tell you to remove it. I always go through the same garbage with these guys. I take off my hat at the door when they inevitably ask me to, and then I put it back on as soon as I am back inside. Then, 20 minutes later, another big black guy comes over to me with a flashlight, like he is sherlock holmes or something, and tells me to take off my hat again. This process usually repeats itself 4-5 times, until I am escorted out of the establishment. I guess "clubs" can have the right to set their own dress codes, but it seems a bit unfair to me. If a Jew is wearing a kippah they would not tell him to take it off, so why should I be prohibited from wearing my baseball caps? I bet that if I made a whole big deal about this next time it happened, I could turn it into a big "freedom of religion" constitutional law debate.
The dress code gayness is just the beginning of my clubbing misery. Inside of the club= total disaster. First of all, you got this loud terrible music blasting, so you cannot have a normal conversation with anyone. Either you can try to shout over the music and repeat each sentence you say 6 times, after the person says "What?" over and over again OR you can lean really close to the people and say it in their ear. But that is even more bizzare b/c if it's a guy, you feel like you are dangerously close to licking his ear, and if it's a girl you are paranoid about having bad breath or alcohol or breath which I guess is the same thing. So communication is a major problem.
I guess the reason communication is a problem is because the ikkar of clubbing is to dance, and not to talk. If this was "ballroom dancing" or the cool dancing that they did in "Grease", I would have no objective problem with this type of activity. (Personally, I'm not gonna dance at all ever, but that is not for this public fades rant forum). But, what actually goes on at the "clubs" is the "grinding": 2 people or more rubbing up against eachother like Will Ferrel and Chris Kattan did in Roxbury Brothers skits and amazing movie. For various reasons, I am against this grinding, but my main question for the men out there is what happens if you get "excited" during this activity? Isn't that really awkward for you and the lady? I guess maybe these experienced grinders are so used to this type of thing, that it doesn't excite them at all. I cannot really think of any other possible explanations.
So you can see why I hate clubs. Bars, on the other hand, are everything that clubs aren't. Bars are for groups of friends to go out and communicate with one another while enjoying a moderate amount of alcoholic beverages. At bars you can wear your hat or anything else you want to wear, and no one will tell you to remove it. At bars, there are jukeboxes where you can pick normal good music, or there is good live music. At bars, there is no "grinding", just conversing.
And at sports bars you can even watch sports while enjoying a beverage. And so I think when people say that going to bars and clubs is "not proper" or not "frum" or whatever...a real fine distinction should be made: Clubs = Assur, Bars = patur aval assur. Thank you.
Lets begin with clubs, because I don't know if there is anything I hate more besides comedy clubs. And I only hate comedy clubs b/c the comedians there are so dirty and it makes me uncomfortable if there are girls at my table. B/c either way it's weird: If I laugh at the sick jokes the guy is telling, the girls at the table think I am a real pervert, and if I don't laugh I can see that the girls are thinking "Does Ari even get that joke?...probably not, he doesn't understand anything sexually related b/c he is challenged when it comes to physical intimacy issues." I may be reading too much into this, but I really hate the dirty comedians.
Anyway, back to clubs in general- there are so many things about them that get me angry. The first time I went "clubbing" was as a senior in high school, and I remember going with a few friends to Banana Republic to buy "clubbing clothes"...otherwise known as "clothes that make you look like a big homo." Basically, the tighter the shirt, the more club-worthy it is, and unfortanetly, for us guys, the same goes for pants. In addition, you have to get all this hair gel and slick back your hair so that you look as syrian as possible. Truth is, I still do this on Shabbos, so maybe that part of the clubbing ritual is acceptable. But only b/c I do it.
The worst part about the clubbing dress code is that if you try to wear a hat the big bouncer men tell you to remove it. I always go through the same garbage with these guys. I take off my hat at the door when they inevitably ask me to, and then I put it back on as soon as I am back inside. Then, 20 minutes later, another big black guy comes over to me with a flashlight, like he is sherlock holmes or something, and tells me to take off my hat again. This process usually repeats itself 4-5 times, until I am escorted out of the establishment. I guess "clubs" can have the right to set their own dress codes, but it seems a bit unfair to me. If a Jew is wearing a kippah they would not tell him to take it off, so why should I be prohibited from wearing my baseball caps? I bet that if I made a whole big deal about this next time it happened, I could turn it into a big "freedom of religion" constitutional law debate.
The dress code gayness is just the beginning of my clubbing misery. Inside of the club= total disaster. First of all, you got this loud terrible music blasting, so you cannot have a normal conversation with anyone. Either you can try to shout over the music and repeat each sentence you say 6 times, after the person says "What?" over and over again OR you can lean really close to the people and say it in their ear. But that is even more bizzare b/c if it's a guy, you feel like you are dangerously close to licking his ear, and if it's a girl you are paranoid about having bad breath or alcohol or breath which I guess is the same thing. So communication is a major problem.
I guess the reason communication is a problem is because the ikkar of clubbing is to dance, and not to talk. If this was "ballroom dancing" or the cool dancing that they did in "Grease", I would have no objective problem with this type of activity. (Personally, I'm not gonna dance at all ever, but that is not for this public fades rant forum). But, what actually goes on at the "clubs" is the "grinding": 2 people or more rubbing up against eachother like Will Ferrel and Chris Kattan did in Roxbury Brothers skits and amazing movie. For various reasons, I am against this grinding, but my main question for the men out there is what happens if you get "excited" during this activity? Isn't that really awkward for you and the lady? I guess maybe these experienced grinders are so used to this type of thing, that it doesn't excite them at all. I cannot really think of any other possible explanations.
So you can see why I hate clubs. Bars, on the other hand, are everything that clubs aren't. Bars are for groups of friends to go out and communicate with one another while enjoying a moderate amount of alcoholic beverages. At bars you can wear your hat or anything else you want to wear, and no one will tell you to remove it. At bars, there are jukeboxes where you can pick normal good music, or there is good live music. At bars, there is no "grinding", just conversing.
And at sports bars you can even watch sports while enjoying a beverage. And so I think when people say that going to bars and clubs is "not proper" or not "frum" or whatever...a real fine distinction should be made: Clubs = Assur, Bars = patur aval assur. Thank you.
14 Comments:
At 9:04 PM, AlanLaz said…
NOTICE: Please take this post with jest.
Just a note. The reason these clubs forbid your hat is because they don't want the "ghetto boys" coming in. It's the same reason alot of clubs have a "no Timberland rule"...because the majority of those ghetto guys wear Timbs. It's probably better like that, because were they to let those guys in (and let you wear your hat), they'd probably beat you up for wearing a hat the same color as their gang (any color would do, I'm sure).
At 11:33 PM, Hopefool said…
Detest Clubs. Tolerate bars. Try to find out if Kosher comics are playing at th- woh Ari, did you just grab my ass?
At 7:39 AM, Anonymous said…
i'm pretty sure sherlock holmes didn't use a flashlight; a kerosene lamp, maybe.
At 10:17 AM, Anonymous said…
i agree with the distinction that must be made between clubs and bars. in bars one potentially may be mikyem "piru u'rivu" by finding a shidduch, whereas in clubs this is virtually impossible. plus, my upbringing has taught me to drink well, but not dance well = comfort in bars, weirdness in clubs.
-d
At 1:39 PM, Anonymous said…
previously, i spent about 10 minutes composing a very funny post, but alas it didn't appear. damn. anyway, i think that i agree with fades'assessment of the club vs. bar debate, especially since my upbringing has trained me to drink, not dance. plus, a bar may potentially lead to the kiyum of "pru u'rivu" via meeting a female, whereas this is more difficult in a club environment.
At 3:45 PM, SINGERZ said…
When someone writes "please take this post with jest" shouldnt the post then be funny?
At 4:09 PM, The Fades said…
Gotta agree with Singerz on that one, but maybe AlanLaz should be given a chance to defend or redeem himself, or both. As for the Sherlock Holmes nitpicking, glad to see someone is paying attention to Sherlock Holmes in detail, and I have no idea who that could be.
At 5:50 PM, Anonymous said…
NOTICE: Please take this post in jest
My jock itch is so bad right now that I think I'm gonna go to a bar and meet women who wear pants with similar jock itch.
At 5:53 PM, Anonymous said…
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At 8:17 AM, EDS said…
AlanLaz - by "ghetto boys" do you mean black people?
If so, you should probably refrain from using the term "boys" in that statement, unless you are looking for a good ass-kicking.
Just thought I'd mention that point and save you from potential paraplegia if you would ever say "ghetto boy" to a Timberland and hat-wearing black guy in a club.
There is no reason to hide behind ambiguous terms. Everyone knows what you are trying to say. You can say black people. They want to keep out the black people from clubs? You want to bring back segregation? Is that what you were getting at? You racist!
At 9:15 PM, Anonymous said…
Hi Fader,
Short time reader first time writer. I gotta say your blog is veryinformative and you always seem to write about what I am thinking. I like the fact that you dont use big words. Up here in CANADA we got the same problems with the bars and clubs yet my friends always seem to want to go to the clubs and the bouncers always kick me out cause I dont take off the hat but the funny thing is I see them on the bus the next morning heading to school.
If you dont know who this is, Rav Hirsh says hi.
At 11:30 PM, The Fades said…
i still dont know who you are though. Canadians in rav Hirsh? L'Mayseh, eh? Maybe I need to blog about Rav Hirsh...
At 5:39 PM, Anonymous said…
Fader I can't believe you don't remember me, that steamy shabbos night last May we spent on your porch over a bottle of Glenfiddich you said you'd never forget me.
At 11:29 AM, The Fades said…
oh now i got it. I miss my porch.
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